The GUS Daily Digest Wednesday, 24 May 1995 Volume 22 : Number 022 Today's Topics: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #21 Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #17 Pmode/w, DRAM test, channel 10 prg change, Win95, NT, Interwave MIDI cable Re: Interwave, Win 95 and such... Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #21 Re: Interwave Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #21 Ultrinit question Re: The g-list: Where? Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #21 Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #21 Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #21 Microsoft Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #21 Win95vsOS/2 shit thread Diskworld? Standard Info: - Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest. - Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt@machine.demon.co.uk (Matt Robinson) Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 09:57:18 GMT Subject: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #21 > From: csjohn@knuth.mtsu.edu (John Wallace) > Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:22:56 -0500 (CDT) > Subject: Re: awe32, win95 + other operating systems games & sound support > One final note: > A friend of mine writes software for the NT platform, and he calls > Win95 pure trash, and he says that NT is THE Microsoft OS of the future. > I believe him. I don't know what you would call Win95, but if I were > you I sure wouldn't buy it when it first comes out. To hell with the hype. > If you must buy a new OS soon, and you don't want OS/2, buy NT 3.5. > Forget Win95. NT 3.5 requires a MINIMUN of 12Mb of ram, 16 to run comfortably. It's no quicker than Win95, and win95 runs NT programs. So why should I change? I use Netscape 1.1N 32-bit, and it uses only 3% system resources. The applets however ARE crap. Wordpad takes over 40seconds to load, whereas WordPerfect 6.0a will load up completely (30Meg) in 17 seconds. Don't try and tell me what OS I need, if I'm wrong, then you're happy, I'm not out of pocket, I can still run NT stuff, and win 3.11 stuff, and DOS stuff, I can't see any significant advantage of NT over win95. Isn't it better to talk about the GUS instead? You know, this IS a Gus mailing list. > > From: csjohn@knuth.mtsu.edu (John Wallace) > Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 17:29:42 -0500 (CDT) > Subject: Computer espionage by M$ (fwd) > Microsoft officials confirm that beta versions of Windows 95 include a > small viral routine called Registration Wizard. It interrogates every > system on a network gathering intelligence on what software is being run > on which machine. It then creates a complete listing of both Microsoft's > and competitors' products by machine, which it reports to Microsoft when > customers sign up for Microsoft's Network Services, due for launch later > this year. When I completed my registration, the "viral routine" kicked in (on screen), with a dialogue box telling me what it was doing. It then presented it to me on the screen, and said that this information would be useful to them, and asked if it could send it with the registration. I see nothing sneaky about that. It DID ask, after all. > An update on this. A friend of mine got hold of a copy of the beta test CD > of Win95, and set up a packet sniffer between his serial port and the > modem. When you try out the free demo time on The Microsoft Network, it > transmits your entire directory structure in background. Only if you asked. It'd be nice if it actually told you on screen, "Sending your complete directory structure to M$" but I think it'd make some people panic. > This means that they have a list of every directory (and, potentially every > file) on your machine. It would not be difficult to have something like a > FileRequest from your system to theirs, without you knowing about it. This > way they could get ahold of any juicy routines you've written yourself and > claim them as their own if you don't have them copyrighted. Well I think you WOULD notice that your phone had been connected for 15 minutes sending only a 2k file. > Needless to say, I'm rather annoyed about this. > > So spread the word as far and wide as possible: Steer clear of Windows 95. > There's nothing to say that this "feature" will be removed in the final > release. There's nothing to say that it won't be removed. With the Beta, you are testing the software and reporting bugs to M$, if you send a bug report, it only makes sense that M$ know what computer the fault occurs on, and with which software. Now stop invading the mailing list with irrelevant material. (please). Matt - -- - ----sig not included 'cos I can't be bothered----- ------------------------------ From: engineer@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk (Ian Silvester) Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 12:37:18 +0100 Subject: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #17 > >From: Okan Tuncer >Date: Thu, 18 May 95 13:50:00 PDT >Subject: Recording MIDI from same computer > >Hi GUSers, > >Here is a weird question for you; > >Can I play a MIDI song in one sequencer, and record in another in the same >computer? For example while playing a song in Recording Session can I record >the same song in Power Chords Pro? > >WHY? Simple: Because in Recording Session I have the ability to change >volume and panning on-line but this feature is just for playback, i.e. it is >not recorded (as far as I know). It is time-consuming to insert a gradual >panning effect, surely recording it above mentioned way would be much much >better (if technically possible). > I think you could do this (play in one sequencer, record in another) but I think you'll find this won't achieve the effect you're after. I don't think the pans and fades you do using the mixer within Recording Session will be sent as MIDI data, and therefore won't be recorded into any other MIDI package. Yan. - ------------------------- -------------------------------------- Ian Silvester, Phone: +44 (0)1785 353348 Research Associate, Fax: +44 (0)1785 353331 School Of Engineering, "He dreams... while he's not sleeping" Staffordshire University. - The Chameleons - ------------------------- -------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Sam Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 14:16:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: Pmode/w, DRAM test, channel 10 prg change, Win95, NT, Interwave Another long message. Sorry. > pmw116.zip - DOS extender for programmers? Not for GUS archive! I think it's there because it fixes GUS support with some DOS-4GW games (in particular, allows the use of IRQ 11) > Does anyone know of any software that will do a complete check on all the > GUS DRAM I have installed ??.. Didn't it come with the card? I'm sure there is some... > Source code would be helpfull ?? Writing your own is VERY easy, I mean you only have to poke and peek a byte to every location. > Subject: Re: Program change on channel 10 I got this wrong earlier (said it changed drum *pattern*). Apparently it only does this on some Yamaha drum machines and crap home keyboards. Sorry. The answers everyone else is giving are correct ;) > have bugs. So, is everyone just supposed to wait until 1997 to develop any > new games? No, game development can start now. I'm not a professional developer, yet at home there is a Win95 beta and a development software package that supports Win95 and runs natively under it. Don't forget, games aren't written overnight. In my opinion, it's likely that Win95 will be out by the end of the year, or if not, then in the first quarter of next year. > It seems like both OS/2 users & GUS users have more in common with > each other than they might care to admit. Both products are excellent > and both have less than average support from software developers. Well, some GUS users have tried OS/2 and disagree that it's "excellent". However, the situation for GUS is rather better than OS/2 as far as native support goes; over half of the major new games come with native GUS support. (OS/2 emulation is more successful though ;> ) > A friend of mine writes software for the NT platform, and he calls > Win95 pure trash, and he says that NT is THE Microsoft OS of the future. This is MS's plan as well. Win95 is a stepping stone to next-version NT which was necessary to get 32-bit apps written. (Is the way I read it). However Win95 has *FAR* superior games, fast graphics, and soundcard support. It's mostly in vapourware at the moment, but they are committed to this for release. > you I sure wouldn't buy it when it first comes out. To hell with the hype. > If you must buy a new OS soon, and you don't want OS/2, buy NT 3.5. > Forget Win95. Forget NT. No GUS support at all and virtually no hope of it, either. This is the GUS digest, remember... > This is a strange response of the Interwave chip. Wouldn't it not matter > if Gravis doesn't release drivers for their Interwave-based card on time > when there are drivers for other Interwave-based cards? Wouldn't drivers > for other Interwave-based cards work for Gravis' Interwave-based cards? Does anyone know whether, as I thought might be possible, Gravis are doing drivers for the Interwave chip, which will be licensed by other users of the chip? > Thankyou for your views on the AMD Interwave. I have posted twice to > the GUS Digest asking who knows for sure if Gravis will be using the > AMD Chip, and also discussing the possibility that the Interwave chip > will NOT be exclusively used by Gravis. Until now the only discussion And you got confirmation a few days ago from someone who said they'd phoned Gravis or something and that Gravis's Ultrasound Interwave would be out September. Of course, it will not be exclusively used by Gravis. For starters, AMD licensed it thinking partly of a one-chip motherboard sound solution, I thought. > GUS- espousing the *fact* that ofcourse the chip would be used in the > next GUS- proof coming from the claim that Gravis has licensed the GF1 Well, according to someone, Gravis say it will be used in the next GUS. Sounds like a fact to me. (They'd be insane not to use it, anyway). > chip design to AMD as a basis for the Interwave. Gravis probably did > license the GF1 design to AMD, but doesn't that give AMD the right to > do what it likes with its new chip? "Probably"? I got that info years ago from PC Week, which is a reputable publication. (ok, I guess they make mistakes, but obviously that wasn't one). What would AMD do other than sell it to anyone who wants? They are a chip manufacturer! > >From the specs published by AMD, it looks more and more like Mr P.Chen > is absolutely right in his assertion that other major players like C.L. > etc are likely to use the same device in their offerings. There are > even rumours that some motherboard OEMs are looking to add the > Interwave directly. Motherboards... I think this is the reason why AMD licensed GF1 initially... and CL will almost certainly *not* be using it! They have their *own* professional quality music company! Why would they pay to license chips from another company! > performance, quality, price and support, but would you rush out and buy > the next GUS just because of some religious devotion? No. Sam ------------------------------ From: mike@math.amu.edu.pl (Michal Wiernowolski) Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 15:20:07 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: MIDI cable Hi, Could anyone tell me if the MIDI cable for SoundBlaster compatilble cards works with GUS. I want to connect an external MIDI keyboard, but don't want to experiment with my computer. I've read several info's on the subject (including GUS FAQ), and in my opinion there is a difference in pin assignments between GUS and SB. Please respond if you have any experience with GUS MIDI port. It bothers me for some time. Thanks in advance, Michal Wiernowolski ------------------------------ From: Bryan Maher Date: Tue, 23 May 95 09:24:49 EDT Subject: Re: Interwave, Win 95 and such... Sorry for this not-so-gus-related response... >This is a strange response of the Interwave chip. Wouldn't it not matter >if Gravis doesn't release drivers for their Interwave-based card on time >when there are drivers for other Interwave-based cards? Wouldn't drivers >for other Interwave-based cards work for Gravis' Interwave-based cards? >If all SB-based cards (100% hardware compatible that is) work with the >same driver, then wouldn't make sense for all Interwave-based cards to >work with the same driver? Take a look at the video industry... Diamond Multimedia uses standard chips manufactured by S3 Corp. and Weitek. In fact, many companies use these chips and in MOST cases the drives for a particular chip are completely interchangeable across brand names. Why? The actual chip manufacturer created the drivers and the BIOS specifications and provides it to those who use their product. Why did I mention DIAMOND? They are an exception. Diamond is never happy with the performance of the native drivers and BIOS so they always rewrite them (as do others... not intended as a particular flame :) The result is that the usual drivers are not interchangeable with Diamond's products and you must always go back to them for the latest revisions. Game (software) support suffers since developers are inclined to develop for standards. Still, AMD will no doubt publish a standard hardware interface and API for their Interwave chip. AMD has far more resouces and experience in this area than Gravis so the design will be very good. This in turn should encourage other companies to adopt the Interwave as a complete sound solution. The more companies to get on the bandwagon, the better game/software support we see in the future. Heres hoping EVERYONE sails on the good ship Interwave! Bryan Maher. ------------------------------ From: csjohn@knuth.mtsu.edu (John Wallace) Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 09:18:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #21 > > NT 3.5 requires a MINIMUN of 12Mb of ram, 16 to run comfortably. It's no quicker > than Win95, and win95 runs NT programs. So why should I change? I use Netscape Well, if is speed you're looking for why not stick with DOS? I hate to tell you, but you'll need at least 12MB for Win95 to run well. > 1.1N 32-bit, and it uses only 3% system resources. The applets however ARE crap. > Wordpad takes over 40seconds to load, whereas WordPerfect 6.0a will load up > completely (30Meg) in 17 seconds. Don't try and tell me what OS I need, if I'm > wrong, then you're happy, I'm not out of pocket, I can still run NT stuff, and I don't care what OS you use. > win 3.11 stuff, and DOS stuff, I can't see any significant advantage of NT over > win95. Isn't it better to talk about the GUS instead? You know, this IS a Gus > mailing list. True, but I have noticed discussions about operating systems here. NT is a true 32-bit multitasking, multithreaded OS. Win95 has some 32-bit components, but still has the old 16-bit base to it. I have seen it referred to as a Windows 3.11 on steroids in some publications. One advantage NT has over Win95 is that you can run a full screen DOS application in NT without causing background applications to suffer. For example: playing a game like Descent while downloading a file at 14.4 or 28.8. You can't do that under Win95. Also, NT has some crash protection to it - it is almost impossible for a bad application running under NT to bring the whole system down as it could running under Win95. This has to do with how the operating system was designed, not what it looks like or what it can run. NT is an example of good robust software engineering from the ground up. Win95 was built using existing DOS & Windows as a base. True, this is a GUS newsgroup, but since our software to power the GUS is dependent on an operating system to function, doesn't it make sense that we should be interested in how well the operating system can function? Vince, am I out of line here? I am still pretty new to this listserver. - -- (John Wallace || csjohn@knuth.mtsu.edu) && Team OS/2 ------------------------------ From: gt0074b@prism.gatech.edu (P.Chen) Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 10:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Interwave >From: George >Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:20:15 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #20 > >> From: gt0074b@prism.gatech.edu (P.Chen) >> name sound card producers start using the Interwave. Sure, I'm >> brand loyal, but not blindly so. >> People want drivers for different OS's, as we can tell from the >> cries of despair posted here. If Gravis can't provide the drivers >> and/or support, I'm buying another Interwave-based card from a > >[rest deleted] > >This is a strange response of the Interwave chip. Wouldn't it not matter >if Gravis doesn't release drivers for their Interwave-based card on time >when there are drivers for other Interwave-based cards? Wouldn't drivers >for other Interwave-based cards work for Gravis' Interwave-based cards? [deleted] My point EXACTLY. Finally, with an open standard and competition, software support (and drivers) will exist! Whoever makes the driver first (be it CL, Gravis, Micro Soft) will have an edge, especially if it's a sound card manufacturer. If this other sound card producer has the first drivers, their cards would come with them, making them much more appealing. Of course, you could pirate them and use them with other compatible cards, but the point is, drivers will exist for all platforms (hopefully). Such is the beauty of a standardized chipset. ------------------------------ From: Phat Hong Tran Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 11:27:03 -0400 Subject: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #21 On Tue, 23 May 1995, The GUS Daily Digest wrote: > From: Daryl James > Date: Tue, 23 May 95 09:03:49 TZ > Subject: RE: Interwave - an answer to our dreams > > Dear P. Chen, > > Thankyou for your views on the AMD Interwave. I have posted twice to > the GUS Digest asking who knows for sure if Gravis will be using the > AMD Chip, and also discussing the possibility that the Interwave chip > will NOT be exclusively used by Gravis. Until now the only discussion > on this topic has been from some almost religiously blind believers in > GUS- espousing the *fact* that ofcourse the chip would be used in the > next GUS- proof coming from the claim that Gravis has licensed the GF1 > chip design to AMD as a basis for the Interwave. Gravis probably did > license the GF1 design to AMD, but doesn't that give AMD the right to > do what it likes with its new chip? Disclaimer: I've been out of the Gravis scene for quite a while, so my information may be a bit stale. The agreement Gravis forged with AMD was a technology _exchange_. AMD would get the GF1 to build upon, and Gravis would get first dibs on the chip AMD produces. Assuming that critical deadlines were not missed causing the agreement to fall through, Gravis should have gotten a headstart on everyone else in designing a new board around the Amadeus chip. I have no idea when we should expect such a card from Gravis, though. It may be a while coming yet. Phat. ------------------------------ From: bresler@bart.chem-eng.nwu.edu (Leo Bresler) Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 11:00:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Ultrinit question Hello, GUS'ers! I'm a little confused about ultrinit which came with gus411.zip. It's version 2.28a, but it's dated later than version 2.31 which was released in gus047(?). Which is the version I should use? Or do they have slightly different functionality? Thanks Leo bresler@nwu.edu ------------------------------ From: Nathan Tracy Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 10:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: The g-list: Where? Fredrik, You're looking for the famous G-List. The only place I know for sure=20 that you can get it is on CompuServe in the PCVENB forum. They only put=20 it there infrequently however, as the most recent issue is March 8,=20 1995. I recall it being posted on several sites on the World Wide Web=20 and FTP, but the locations escape me. Nathan Tracy On Mon, 22 May 1995, ETX-T-BEE Liden Fredrik wrote: > Hi all fellow GUS-users! >=20 > I've heard it mentioned that there is a list of how to get various > games to work with the GUS & GUSMAX. Does anybody know where this > list can be found? It was referred to as the "glist" last I saw it > mentioned... I haven't been able to locate it on any ftp sites yet :( > If there is such a list I would expect that a lot of people would be > interested in it - why not upload it to an ftp site and post the path > to the digest!? >=20 > Thanks // Fredrik Lid=E9n (etxcfl@kk.ericsson.se) >=20 ------------------------------ From: "Peter C. Chien Jr." Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 13:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #21 I am now trying to try out the SAW3DEMO, but it doesn't seem to work with the regular GUS. I am guessing that SAW is trying to record in 16-bit resolution, but the regular GUS can only record in 8-bit. For now, is there a way to tell SAW to record in 8-bit. Or any way to get it to record with the regular GUS? It would make a superior alternative to a 4-track recorder if a) it works with the GUS directly, and b) it doesn't cost so much! Thanks. -Peter ------------------------------ From: "Peter C. Chien Jr." Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 13:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #21 I am now trying to try out the SAW3DEMO, but it doesn't seem to work with the regular GUS. I am guessing that SAW is trying to record in 16-bit resolution, but the regular GUS can only record in 8-bit. For now, is there a way to tell SAW to record in 8-bit. Or any way to get it to record with the regular GUS? It would make a superior alternative to a 4-track recorder if a) it works with the GUS directly, and b) it doesn't cost so much! Thanks. -Peter ------------------------------ From: gould@cs.bris.ac.uk Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 22:10:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #21 People keep talking about operating systems in this digest - I am trying to respond directly to save earache for everyone else. Can you people do the same? Dave. ------------------------------ From: gould@cs.bris.ac.uk Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 22:28:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: Microsoft > An update on this. A friend of mine got hold of a copy of the beta test CD > of Win95, and set up a packet sniffer between his serial port and the > modem. When you try out the free demo time on The Microsoft Network, it > transmits your entire directory structure in background. > > This means that they have a list of every directory (and, potentially every > file) on your machine. It would not be difficult to have something like a > FileRequest from your system to theirs, without you knowing about it. This > way they could get ahold of any juicy routines you've written yourself and > claim them as their own if you don't have them copyrighted. > > Needless to say, I'm rather annoyed about this. > > So spread the word as far and wide as possible: Steer clear of Windows 95. > There's nothing to say that this "feature" will be removed in the final > release. I don't believe this for a minute. It is: a) illegal b) immoral c) typical.... It's about time something was done about this sort of thing. We are going to see 1984 very shortly if this continues. Dave. ------------------------------ From: markus@nbnet.nb.ca (Jurassic Mark) Date: Tue, 23 May 95 18:17:34 EDT Subject: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #21 >Please, Gravis. There are 3 million of us out here who don't have a real >sound card to choose from with OS/2. That's not an insignificant market. > >Bryan Maher Let me add my voice to yours. Gravis! Give us a sign! Even if it's to say "we're still working on it". And what happened to the usual "Just To Let You Know" series? You seem to have completely disappeared! Jurassic Mark (Marc Y. Paulin) Mail: markus@nbnet.nb.ca - IRC: J-Mark WARPing and GUSsing!!! ------------------------------ From: markus@nbnet.nb.ca (Jurassic Mark) Date: Tue, 23 May 95 18:28:21 EDT Subject: Win95vsOS/2 shit thread >The implications of this action, and the attitude of Microsoft to plan >such action, beggars the imagination. > >Chris Norloff cnorloff@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil Who cares!?!? This is the GUS digest. Not the OS/2 mailing list. Stick to the topic, dude. Jurassic Mark (Marc Y. Paulin) Mail: markus@nbnet.nb.ca - IRC: J-Mark WARPing and GUSsing!!! ------------------------------ From: billf@wam.umd.edu Date: Tue, 23 May 95 22:38:12 PDT Subject: Diskworld? Has anyone had any luck getting Diskworld to work with the included drivers? I was able to set the game up for "ultrasound" but when I try to run the game it promptly locks up. I tried SBOS (old version) but nada. It locks up also. I thought I saw some discussion on this game a few weeks back but I didn't pay attention to it at the time. If anyone does know how to get the game to work feel free to write me directly or post to the digest. *************billf@wam.umd.edu**************** * * *********** This space for Rent*************** ------------------------------ End of The GUS Daily Digest V22 #22 *********************************** To post to tomorrow's digest: To (un)subscribe or get help: To contact a human (last resort): FTP Sites Archive Directories --------- ------------------- Main N.American Site: ftp.orst.edu pub/packages/gravis wuarchive.wustl.edu systems/ibmpc/ultrasound Main Asian Site: nctuccca.edu.tw PC/ultrasound Main European Site: src.doc.ic.ac.uk packages/ultrasound Main Australian Site: ftp.mpx.com.au /ultrasound/general /ultrasound/submit South African Site: ftp.sun.ac.za /pub/packages/ultrasound Submissions: archive.epas.utoronto.ca pub/pc/ultrasound/submit Newly Validated Files: archive.epas.utoronto.ca pub/pc/ultrasound Mirrors: garbo.uwasa.fi mirror/ultrasound ftp.st.nepean.uws.edu.au pc/ultrasound ftp.luth.se pub/msdos/ultrasound Gopher Sites Menu directory ------------ -------------- Main Site: src.doc.ic.ac.uk packages/ultrasound WWW Pages --------- Main Site: http://www.xmission.com/~grue/gus.html Main European Site: http://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/ultrasound/ Main Australian Site: http://ftp.mpx.com.au/archive/ultrasound/general/ http://ftp.mpx.com.au/archive/ultrasound/submit/ http://ftp.mpx.com.au/gravis.html Mirrors: http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/pub/pc/ultrasound/ GUS Digest Archives: http://gpu.srv.ualberta.ca/~itam/digest.html http://www.student.adelaide.edu.au/~godfathr/gus/gus.html MailServer For Archive Access: Email to Hints: - Get the FAQ from the FTP sites or the request server. - Mail to for info about other GUS related mailing lists (programmers, musicians, etc.).